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May 07, 2012, 07:33:46 AM
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You can always rely on Dutch pressings.
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May 07, 2012, 11:00:35 AM
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Of course I don't mind BSD2000  ;)

BTW, I own these speakers since 1989/90 and have given me nothing but joy  :D

PS: You can see a bit more of my Sony speakers on my new YT video (Steely Dan's Black Cow) and I also added 2 pics to the gallery  ;D
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May 09, 2012, 12:40:54 AM
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I was flipping through my records today and pulled out a few Sony Legacy reissues, namely the Hendrix BBC sessions and Are You Experienced LP and had a listen. Both sounded absolutely horrible and both were pressed by RTI.  >:(

I also listened to the Led Zepplin's Mothership box set, pressed by RTI and it was unlistenable. Zero bass, compressed midrange and highs. I could only take 20 seconds at a time. :(

It seems like Sony Legacy uses a number of pressing plants with some of the latest pressings being done at RTI. One of the tell-tale signs that it was pressed at RTI is the heavy red/pink plastic record sleeve, which looks like it was heat sealed while the record was inside the sleeve. The first record in the BBC Session album was actually damaged by the heat sealer to the point where it was phsyically attached (welded) to the sleeve on the edge! That wedge of the record when played has a 'swoosh' type of sound from the damage.
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May 09, 2012, 12:34:39 PM
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I was flipping through my records today and pulled out a few Sony Legacy reissues, namely the Hendrix BBC sessions and Are You Experienced LP and had a listen. Both sounded absolutely horrible and both were pressed by RTI.  >:(

It seems like Sony Legacy uses a number of pressing plants with some of the latest pressings being done at RTI. One of the tell-tale signs that it was pressed at RTI is the heavy red/pink plastic record sleeve, which looks like it was heat sealed while the record was inside the sleeve. The first record in the BBC Session album was actually damaged by the heat sealer to the point where it was phsyically attached (welded) to the sleeve on the edge! That wedge of the record when played has a 'swoosh' type of sound from the damage.

I've got the 2010 sony Legacy reissue of Are You Experienced. Not the European Version by Music On Vinyl but the U.S. version. Pink plastic record sleeve, on the deadwax it reads:
STERLING (stamped)
8869762395 1-A (hand writed)
18763.1(3)... (hand writed)
There's a bit of vinyl peeling on the center hole, and the surface looks not very clean with some stains. Actually my copy sounds very nice. Not compressed, powerful drums and clean sounding, way better than the previous CD reissues.
Either mine is a lucky copy or my ears are totally wrong. :-\ :D
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May 09, 2012, 04:04:37 PM
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I've got the 2010 sony Legacy reissue of Are You Experienced. Not the European Version by Music On Vinyl but the U.S. version. Pink plastic record sleeve, on the deadwax it reads:
STERLING (stamped)
8869762395 1-A (hand writed)
18763.1(3)... (hand writed)
There's a bit of vinyl peeling on the center hole, and the surface looks not very clean with some stains. Actually my copy sounds very nice. Not compressed, powerful drums and clean sounding, way better than the previous CD reissues.
Either mine is a lucky copy or my ears are totally wrong. :-\ :D


My 'Are You Experienced?' album has the same deadwax info as yours, so I'm not sure why my copy sounds so bad. Hmm....

To compare, I have a Hendrix compilation LP, pressed in Japan that has 'Are You Experienced?' on it and it sounds much better than the Sony Legacy reissue. I'll make a recording later today of both so you can have a listen.

I attached some pictures of the sleeve; it looks like your copy is damage free.


May 10, 2012, 06:44:23 AM
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Mmhhh...where did you get your copy? I could think that export copies are better but that doesn't explain why all the reviews by all customers on Acoustic Sounds are positive for all the Hendrix reissues by Sony Legacy:
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/65679/Jimi_Hendrix-Are_You_Experienced-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/65680/Jimi_Hendrix-Axis_Bold_As_Love-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/65677/Jimi_Hendrix-Electric_Ladyland-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record


May 11, 2012, 04:50:33 AM
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Mmhhh...where did you get your copy? I could think that export copies are better but that doesn't explain why all the reviews by all customers on Acoustic Sounds are positive for all the Hendrix reissues by Sony Legacy:
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/65679/Jimi_Hendrix-Are_You_Experienced-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/65680/Jimi_Hendrix-Axis_Bold_As_Love-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/65677/Jimi_Hendrix-Electric_Ladyland-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record


Hmm... I picked up my copy at Double Decker Records near my home.

I did try something that did improve the sound - I cleaned the Sony re-issue with Gruv Glide, which did help clean up the sound. Here's a sample of both:

Jimi Hendrix - 'Are You Experienced?' - Sony Legacy 2010 reissue:
No longer available

Jimi Hendrix - 'Are You Experienced?' - Japanese OBI pressing:
No longer available

The Gruv Glide helped; and I can hear the bass and drums better. I have no idea what the white stains are, seems like a reaction to the pink plastic sleeve. The Gruv Glide did clean most of it off and improve the sound enough to make the Sony reissue worth listening too.  8)
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May 11, 2012, 12:50:56 PM
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So Gruv Glide does work... last year I cleaned several records with this liquid and when I played those records the stylus picked up a very thin film :( I know what you may be thinking, but I don't think I applied too much product. I don't know if this would have harmed the stylus but I ended giving up on using Gruv Glide.

I have... (let me think) 3 Sony Legacy issues. One of them doesn't sound good at all :'( (It is a white record BTW), the second one has a quite acceptable sound though It suffers from sibilance problems at some points, and finally the third one does provide a good sound  :D


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I don't feel so bad. My 25th anniversary pressing of Thriller has similar sibilance problems like yours. I'll have to keep my eye out for an original pressing.

http://www.vinylaudio.net/forum/music/MJ.mp3

Looks like I found the pressing plant responsible for the terrible sounding 25th Anniversary MJ 'Thriller' picture disc:
(Skip ahead to 4:20)



The cutting engineer admits that they use a CD as the source and that his job is to 'make the vinyl record sound as close to the CD as possible'. Umm, I don't think so...   ::)
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June 03, 2012, 07:50:40 AM
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And what about the Columbia audiophile pressing, half-speed mastered, extended range recording series?
I was gifted a 1980 copy of Supertramp "Crime of the Century" from this series. I was very happy until I read the insert explaining the mastering process...they converted the analog master tapes to digital, and then again to analog to create the laquer master!
They say the reason behind that is that digital has better frequency respoce, better signal-to-noise ratio, less harmonic distortion and almost no wow and flutter. And I could agree with that, but...44.1kHz?!? ???
Come on!!! That's ridiculous...at that sampling frequency there's too much loss!  :-X
I guess back in the days they thought that to be state of the art, but to me it's a disgrace. I would have tolerate 96 kHz or better, but loosing so much signal details to me makes the effort of half-speed mastering totally useless.
Am I wrong, or Mobile Fidelity uses half-speed mastering, and stays 100% analog?
What do you think of this Columbia series?
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June 06, 2012, 07:05:53 AM
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I have three or four Columbia 1/2 speed mastered series LP's and I'm not impressed - not as much as I am with every MFSL pressing I own. To me, they sound very similar to Nautilus pressings, which have an overall 'dark' sound; like the highs were rolled off of the midrange was artificially 'thickened'. I think if you can find them cheap enough, they might be worth buying. Most of the Columbia 1/2 speed LP's I own I picked up for $10 or less. I did pay $20 for a Pretenders 1/2 speed Columbia LP which sounded good, but it still had a 'syrupy' type of sound in the bass and mid range with slightly rolled off highs. If they did use 44.1k digital audio as the source, how the heck did they slow it down to 1/2 speed to cut the master disc?  ;)

I agree - if you are going to cut a master with digital audio, 96K/24bit should be the minimum resolution to use. A CD as the source is a complete waste of time.

MFSL pressings are always impressive and a joy to listen to. The bass is always deep, powerful and effortless. The midrange is pure, life like with a 3D sound stage and the highs are clean, clear, detailed, extended, airy and sweet.

As far as I know, all of the original MFSL reissues were cut at 1/2 speed from original 2-track master tapes going through a 100% tube driven mixer and cutting lathe. 100% analog, end to end. Mobile Fidelity later tweaked the signal chain and called it the GAIN system. They also insist on using first generation master tapes - no copies, running @ 30 or 15ips. Pure analog heaven.  8)

Supposedly the Silver series MFSL pressings were mastered and cut on an all tube system (although not the same system used to cut the standard MFSL releases), but pressed by RTI.
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June 06, 2012, 07:27:22 AM
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The Columbia "audiophile" pressing of Crime of the century left me unimpressed. It sounds quite ordinary, a bit thin. Maybe it's just I don't like Supertramp, but I feel the digital conversion took out too much. I definitely like better a lively, raw and "imperfect" analog recording, rather than a dry, sterile, "refined" digital recording.

What about the Nimbus Supercut series?


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The Columbia "audiophile" pressing of Crime of the century left me unimpressed. It sounds quite ordinary, a bit thin. Maybe it's just I don't like Supertramp, but I feel the digital conversion took out too much. I definitely like better a lively, raw and "imperfect" analog recording, rather than a dry, sterile, "refined" digital recording.

What about the Nimbus Supercut series?

I actually don't own any Nimbus Supercuts and I've yet to come across one in my crate digs. I'll have to keep my eye out for one.


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I actually don't own any Nimbus Supercuts and I've yet to come across one in my crate digs. I'll have to keep my eye out for one.
I've got a 24 bit / 96 kHz rip of a Nimbus Supercut reissue of Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd, and it sounds nice to me, even if I don't have no vinyl pressing to compare.
They seem to have mixed reviews:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-211079.html
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July 29, 2012, 06:47:20 AM
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I don't feel so bad. My 25th anniversary pressing of Thriller has similar sibilance problems like yours. I'll have to keep my eye out for an original pressing.

Yesterday a bought a very well-kept copy of Thriller at "Fira del disc de Barcelona". Again, Holland edition. I have several copies of this album but I could not resist to buy this one because it is really in mint condition :o and after all it's the largest selling LP of all time. What more can I ask for for only 5 ($6.50) I have just made a video on which I showcase a piece of my current system and, of course, the LP. I hope you enjoy it. BTW, the sound has been recorded with an external microphone:

Watch in 720p!

Michael Jackson - Billie Jean (Vinyl)

A few days ago I picked up a mint American pressing of Thriller for $1. Here's a sample:

[No Longer Available]

It sounds much better than the 25th anniversary reissues I have. I'm still on the lookout for an import pressing.  :D
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